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hello this is the President of the

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this is my private line how did you get

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everywhere all the time receiving every

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day behind you there is nothing behind

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you must behind you you please there are

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speaker spoke up and said

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seekers

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Travel 867 330 700 that's triple 867 337

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under stay tuned we're gonna be talking

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to Paulino as well he's an author of the

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Bell Witch Project is a new book that's

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out which is many stories about the

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frontier ghosts and haunts it's all

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coming up on ground zero don't go away

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Trish Myers who has been a producer of

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many wonderful programs as her own heavy

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metal show online mm-hmm what's it

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called well I have two of them one is

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metal ishes and then the other is temple

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of Arcanum yeah that's awesome

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great and wonderful person's gonna join

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you tonight to give us the story it's

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Paulino now when I heard Paulino was

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gonna be on the show this one boy this

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is gonna be the coolest because this guy

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is well he's called the intelligent

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elegent voice of the paranormal he does

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a lot of heavy research he's been

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involved investigating the paranormal

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since the 1970s and he did it while he

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was studying for the priesthood and and

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he actually worked with Ed and Lorraine

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Warren and they are the paranormal

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people that were in the conjuring and of

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course that's I think it's the Peron

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family story and of course the Annabelle

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story about the doll river and it all

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came in the studio when I was holding

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her there yeah and and he also worked

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Jane Nicola he's a Technol advisor of

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the film The Exorcist so this guy he's

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well known well rounded welcome to the

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show Paul II know hey Paul hey Clyde

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thanks for having me whip they're having

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me out tonight

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I'm so honored I'm so honored to have

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you on the program and I also noted that

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who is it Brad Steiger is a Brad stager

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that's Brad stager

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that's Tiger highly recommends you well

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that's very kind and I am I am a God

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with him man I love Brad Stigers so if

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he says you're awesome you haven't be

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awesome well I guess I must be off

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so you wrote this book called the Bell

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Witch Project while I was a contributor

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to the book okay you contributed a book

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and and you wrote you wrote about

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Bell Witch and several other stories

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which deal with I guess ghost stories

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and stories have happened when America

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first was settled by people like like of

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course the Belles and others right sure

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well early New England stories primarily

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fascinating and I also and I'm gonna

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throw this out there and I don't know if

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you know that you probably do Roanoke

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you know Roanoke the Virginia story oh

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good good good good as I talked to max

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the most fascinating stories ever for me

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was that really a zombie attack that

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they really eat each other

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each other that they were they got sick

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and they basically like had some a

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zombie disease and they eat each other

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number of times in history when that has

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happened people have actually resorted

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to cannibalism one of the most famous

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Donner Party yes you know and the whole

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business people simply if you get hungry

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kuru or something like that and that's

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energy but the only way they could give

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animals flesh first when they ran out of

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which case well thank you for telling me

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my favorite mysteries next to the Bell

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which of course we're taught by that

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coming up with Paul II know tonight on

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ground zero and Tricia Myers with us as

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well from that neck of the woods we're

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gonna talk to her about her experience

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at the cave which she has a lot to tell

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triple eight six seven three 3,700 we'll

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listening to ground zero light Church

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Myers with us and Paul II knows with

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it's one of the remark all historians

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and fact-checkers about myths and

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legends and some of the earlier

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paranormal stories Paul I was talking

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the show tonight now she's tell me she

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lived you lived in Clarksville which is

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near Adams yeah and then now you say

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this is a creepy show Paul I think we

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so Paul we're gonna lean on you now you

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everything I would love to hear your

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only to Roanoke is one of my favorite

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them tell us about the Red River area

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that area and what it's like for you

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have you been there you've been there

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any case I believe the the Red River if

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sedimentary rock particularly sandstone

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belief but the thing that attracted me

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to this case Clyde and Trisha was uh I

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was interested in it from the normal

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point of view of anyone who knows about

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the history of the paranormal in this

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the producers content we actually heard

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San Diego and then wanted to meet and

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they were interested in having me work

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at the time to accompany the release of

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the American haunting film which of

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course was it was based on this case not

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Monahan and as a result I was able to do

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a lot of research on this case and I was

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struck not necessarily by the facts or

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which is what I had seen time and time

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experienced and I said Wow would either

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somebody either this has some truth to

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it or someone who made the story up knew

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all about how poltergeists work so that

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notion which I and I'd happened to watch

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tonight as I was waiting for your call

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did not seem to bring in the idea of

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this the vision that John they'll

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supposedly had of this creature with the

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glowing eyes in the head of the body of

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a Roy never was head of a rabid although

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I have it as a big black dog and this

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sort of thing that got me very intrigued

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as this is how a number of cases have

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with dogs but with something small red

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eyes under furniture growling sounds

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this sort of thing right and so the so

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that struck me they start small and they

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get bigger and bigger and bigger what

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happened after the dog sighting well the

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pounding started on the walls of the

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house things got crazier and crazier as

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people god I think there's a reason for

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this as people got more annoyed more

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frightened more angry the thing got

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stronger so it was like a that's that's

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how poltergeists operate it's like they

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are well the poltergeists are usually

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they usually feed off of energy so

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they're more of a psychokinetic

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phenomenon rather than a ghost well I

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that from what I've seen of those old

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explanations really don't they're not

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and my son and I we have a whole theory

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about what this especially with the

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physical experiences I've had with that

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OC you had physical experiences of

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poltergeist activity when you were doing

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physical confrontations whether one and

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when 1970 fallen trying to protect a

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little girl who was being attacked by

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one and it was I felt skeletal structure

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absolutely astounding and I was a

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seminarian at the time I thought these

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were demons yeah and they did it was

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just beyond all that somehow well I'll

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detail with that that's that's uh that's

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shocking right there the skeletal

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structure because I do know that it was

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a show we did a while back with a

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gentleman who claimed he was possessed

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an entity that he could fill the

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skeletal structures it felt like that it

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that appeared to him and and frightened

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him so much that he sold his soul to it

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it talked him into selling his soul and

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he did so and that's why he was

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possessed and so the idea of possession

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the idea of whether or not there really

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was a witch there in that area of

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Tennessee remains to be seen whether or

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not was some sort of Tulpa or energy or

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some sort of a dark energy that was

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released by demons or anything it

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there's a lot of things at stake here

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Paulino is gonna set it straight on this

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and Trish Myers with us tonight to give

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us more information about the area of

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that place in Tennessee where the Bell

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Witch once walked or still walks today

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triple-eight 673 3,700 that's

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triple-eight 673 3,700 and we will be

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back

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like Lewis you're listening to ground

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zero tonight the bill which and other

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assorted it's carries in America there's

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nothing scarier than ghosts made in

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America at least felt I'm biased

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the ghosts everywhere England but

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America has some of the scariest ones

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scariest paranormal events we've talked

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about some of them died with Holly you

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know and Trish is with us tonight

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Trish Myers of course she is uh she's

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the person who lived there we want to

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bring her along for the ride just to get

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an overview or an idea well you know

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that's another thing to Paul you were

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saying when Trish was saying where she

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was living and what she had done and how

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she's been in the area and she's seen

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all these tombstones and cemeteries and

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and farmland you said wait till you hear

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my story well I want to hear it all

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right let me tell you what I think the

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Bell Witch situation really was now bear

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in mind that when there's an odd woman

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around and the people think she's a

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witch and all this business it's going

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to get carried down through history so I

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think perhaps Kate batts is one of the

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were is one of the the most unfortunate

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victims in this whole story because

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history looks at her is this this witch

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and everything else and Wiccans might

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have something to say about that or is

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their religion is very positive however

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I think that that we search for

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explanations

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when we encounter things of this

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magnitude the things that we can't

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explain we look for explanations that we

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can understand whether they're the

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proper explanations are not right I

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think what we're really dealing with

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here rather than a witch doing something

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is above I think for unemployed tribal

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gods otherwise known in my son's

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parlance of mind parasites

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now parasites paranormal parasites are

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the explanations I believe for our

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folklore of demons servants of state and

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then even vampires because what did the

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ancient Babylonians call what happens

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when these things come along they called

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them life-sucking ghosts that's how it

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translates because when we deal with

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people who have been victims of these

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things and

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not spirits there they're life-forms in

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our opinion who moved between parallel

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worlds such as our almost pretty much

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proven by quantum physics now they they

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have to eat as any other life-forms do

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and that is what I see in poltergeist

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cases I don't see recurrent spontaneous

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psychokinesis at the way that the

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parapsychologist try to make it fit into

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modern science which it doesn't do and I

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think that's what was happening in the

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Bell case as I say it started out with

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this this apparition of this dog or

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whatever it was it got bigger and bigger

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and bigger as the family became more

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agitated these things fed on this and

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this has actually happened to me fed on

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this got stronger took form I believe it

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was for just just from the nature of

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what is described if it happened this

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way you've got the the the so-called

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which singing in beautiful voice

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repeating word-for-word sermons and just

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about every different Church in

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Robertson County every Sunday telling

371
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hilarious jokes gaining recognition from

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all sorts of people who would come to

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see it and you have a classic situation

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that might have occurred in a remote

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past because when you look at ancient

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history and that not to broaden our

377
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scope that much but you have the ancient

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Babylonians who started out really the

379
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ancient people started out many people

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don't realize this apparently worshiping

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one God yeah or three-door mother father

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and child family divine family kind of

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thing with us as the child whatever

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something like that right back to the

385
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Aborigines in Australia the Bushman and

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Africa and things of this kind all of a

387
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sudden along come the Sumerians and it's

388
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like something happened to them about

389
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8,000 years ago it's like they were

390
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being farmers one week and lawyers and

391
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doctors the next it wasn't quite that

392
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quick but it was very quick and along

393
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with these great changes of advancements

394
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came a move from one or three gods to

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like 5,000 in a relatively short time

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sure I think these parasites literally

397
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took over ancient communities had not

398
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had this not been a 19th century

399
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Protestant community in Adams Tennessee

400
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in 1817 1821

401
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these things might very well have taken

402
00:17:01,220 --> 00:16:59,279
over you know it's interesting you bring

403
00:17:02,569 --> 00:17:01,230
up a parasite thing because well there

404
00:17:06,669 --> 00:17:02,579
are number of reasons why one I had a

405
00:17:08,929 --> 00:17:06,679
guest on a few days ago who actually his

406
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version of the world is the left-hand

407
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path he actually is a practicing

408
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Satanist and he told me that the the

409
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paranormal or that these entities these

410
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dark entities that we experience are

411
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parasitic as well and he said they

412
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attached to you I also had a guest on

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the talked about the jinn we had a

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number of soldiers veterans who fought

415
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in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and

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Iran and all these areas where they were

417
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and they said that they felt like that

418
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when they left these areas they felt

419
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like they had attachments of some sort

420
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of a parasitic or some sort of an evil

421
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spirit attaching to them and I was

422
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actually saying that you know in fact

423
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the movie The Exorcist takes place the

424
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first scenes take place in the Middle

425
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East in Iraq or Nineveh or wherever you

426
00:17:58,399 --> 00:17:56,640
want to call it and Trish told me

427
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something when I met with her this

428
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morning about her experience when she

429
00:18:06,830 --> 00:18:03,299
went back to Adams and you were telling

430
00:18:09,830 --> 00:18:06,840
me Trish you were feeling a little well

431
00:18:12,019 --> 00:18:09,840
let's just say you were very sick yes my

432
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mother and I went out to visit the cave

433
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and there like I said there were six of

434
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us and I'm a tour guide who went down

435
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there and you know it was I don't know I

436
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can't explain it while we were in the

437
00:18:31,039 --> 00:18:29,760
cave I kept seeing something but every

438
00:18:34,279 --> 00:18:31,049
time I would look over there there's

439
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nothing right and you know I was trying

440
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to listen to the tour guide she was

441
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giving us information about the

442
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surrounding area but I kept getting

443
00:18:45,139 --> 00:18:43,710
distracted by something and you know we

444
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went through the tour and everything was

445
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fine but literally the second we got out

446
00:18:52,730 --> 00:18:48,990
of there

447
00:18:55,370 --> 00:18:52,740
I got into my my car with my mom we went

448
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home I got extremely sick I must have

449
00:19:04,000 --> 00:18:58,440
went home and slept for like ten hours I

450
00:19:08,180 --> 00:19:04,010
was exhausted just plain exhausted

451
00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:08,190
another thing to Paul is I was I'm a fan

452
00:19:13,159 --> 00:19:09,450
of Sleepy Hollow

453
00:19:14,269 --> 00:19:13,169
the TV show and they did a show a while

454
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back about the tooth fairy

455
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and they talked about a demon called oh

456
00:19:21,950 --> 00:19:19,380
we suit and it's a demon that I had a

457
00:19:24,169 --> 00:19:21,960
contact with a seance unfortunately when

458
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:24,179
I was doing an investigation at a place

459
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called The Rose and rain drop which was

460
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to be a funeral home but they turn it

461
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into a bar and what it was as always

462
00:19:34,070 --> 00:19:32,340
suited was this this demon that eats

463
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children or it goes after the children

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while in the womb or it attacks women

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before they can conceive and we were

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having a seance and obvious who showed

467
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up and attacked all the women in the

468
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room and they all doubled over and got

469
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sick but what was interesting is in in

470
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the TV show Sleepy Hollow there were

471
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children that were saying that at night

472
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they would see this demon show up and it

473
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was after they would lose their teeth

474
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like if they had a loose tooth they'd

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pull their tooth and it would they

476
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they'd have to put it under their pillow

477
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well of course you know there's always

478
00:20:03,470 --> 00:20:01,139
an answer for that because think about

479
00:20:06,169 --> 00:20:03,480
crane is there to tell the history and I

480
00:20:07,310 --> 00:20:06,179
look at Sleepy Hollow as ground zero 101

481
00:20:09,139 --> 00:20:07,320
for paranormal because it talks about

482
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all the characters that either I've

483
00:20:13,070 --> 00:20:10,440
encountered or talked about or whatever

484
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:13,080
and what they did is they said and this

485
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is what I thought was interesting is

486
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Ichabod Crane told the police he said

487
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you know the the the kids tell me that

488
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this this this creature or this person

489
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that shows up at night it's a tooth

490
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fairy and and he said and he said

491
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something really interesting he said you

492
00:20:34,100 --> 00:20:31,169
know this tooth fairy idea he says all

493
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of these you know legends of like the

494
00:20:39,740 --> 00:20:37,139
tooth fairy or even Santa Claus all have

495
00:20:41,870 --> 00:20:39,750
dark origins and he said that to the

496
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tooth fairy could vary quite possibly be

497
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over Seuss and that this Mesopotamian

498
00:20:48,860 --> 00:20:47,220
demon attacks children because when

499
00:20:51,799 --> 00:20:48,870
their teeth fall out or when their loose

500
00:20:54,259 --> 00:20:51,809
tooth comes out they infect the area of

501
00:20:56,149 --> 00:20:54,269
the tooth and enter in there and that's

502
00:20:58,039 --> 00:20:56,159
how the children are eaten alive by

503
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:58,049
these demons because they lose a tooth

504
00:21:02,210 --> 00:21:00,480
and that they don't put as if their

505
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:02,220
parents don't put a silver dollar or a

506
00:21:06,019 --> 00:21:03,690
silver coin under the pillow

507
00:21:07,850 --> 00:21:06,029
the demons attacked them and that's what

508
00:21:10,060 --> 00:21:07,860
that's was the old traditions were or

509
00:21:12,169 --> 00:21:10,070
that you'd put silver under the pillow

510
00:21:13,610 --> 00:21:12,179
take the tooth away and that would

511
00:21:15,049 --> 00:21:13,620
protect the child from the demon

512
00:21:17,930 --> 00:21:15,059
attacking them and I thought it was

513
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fascinating because it once again lends

514
00:21:21,470 --> 00:21:19,620
credence to the idea that you're putting

515
00:21:23,090 --> 00:21:21,480
forth tonight that a lot of what we

516
00:21:24,919 --> 00:21:23,100
experienced this

517
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:24,929
paranormal possessions if they are

518
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:27,360
literally demon possessions or like in

519
00:21:31,850 --> 00:21:30,570
the Bell Witch situation where there

520
00:21:33,710 --> 00:21:31,860
were there were these these these

521
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:33,720
thought-forms he's anger these vengeance

522
00:21:37,370 --> 00:21:35,850
off horns between Kate batts and John

523
00:21:39,980 --> 00:21:37,380
Bell and Betsy Bell and all these guys

524
00:21:42,980 --> 00:21:39,990
that quite frankly a there could be

525
00:21:45,620 --> 00:21:42,990
those parasitic dark entities that can

526
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:45,630
attach and this could be the reason why

527
00:21:50,210 --> 00:21:47,520
they were having these these situations

528
00:21:51,890 --> 00:21:50,220
and well this would this fit well I

529
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:51,900
think so one thing you have to bear in

530
00:21:59,180 --> 00:21:54,690
mind Clyde I think is is that the myth

531
00:22:02,690 --> 00:21:59,190
and folklore are the vessels of ours the

532
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:02,700
memory of our species we have myths and

533
00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:05,280
myths that exist in legends they exist

534
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:08,130
for four reasons and any folklorist will

535
00:22:12,529 --> 00:22:09,840
tell you that at the basis of every

536
00:22:14,419 --> 00:22:12,539
story no matter how crazy it is is some

537
00:22:16,010 --> 00:22:14,429
grain of truth something that happened

538
00:22:18,020 --> 00:22:16,020
that affected our psyches you know right

539
00:22:20,299 --> 00:22:18,030
and I think that's the with the the

540
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:20,309
activity these parasites not at all by

541
00:22:24,799 --> 00:22:23,039
you know putting dollars and demons

542
00:22:27,980 --> 00:22:24,809
getting in bodies but then again you

543
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:27,990
never know with ten possession cases

544
00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:33,360
right and they were very well traumatic

545
00:22:37,610 --> 00:22:35,039
shall I say especially one where the

546
00:22:39,500 --> 00:22:37,620
thing addressed me but this was in the

547
00:22:41,060 --> 00:22:39,510
context of psychiatric hospitals where

548
00:22:42,590 --> 00:22:41,070
things were happening that the doctors

549
00:22:44,270 --> 00:22:42,600
couldn't explain and if you could put

550
00:22:46,370 --> 00:22:44,280
this in the context of the remote past

551
00:22:47,539 --> 00:22:46,380
you'd have the origin of a lot of these

552
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:47,549
legends but I think we're essentially

553
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:49,890
basic we're essentially dealing with

554
00:22:55,070 --> 00:22:53,250
life forms that need to eat and that

555
00:22:56,930 --> 00:22:55,080
itself raises serious questions about

556
00:22:59,149 --> 00:22:56,940
what the purpose of the human race might

557
00:23:00,500 --> 00:22:59,159
be who messed with our genetics if that

558
00:23:03,529 --> 00:23:00,510
occurred and certainly seems to have

559
00:23:05,060 --> 00:23:03,539
occurred because there are 223 genes in

560
00:23:08,210 --> 00:23:05,070
the human genome that should be there

561
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:08,220
right and etc etc so yeah I think

562
00:23:12,380 --> 00:23:09,690
there's something to this and we may

563
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:12,390
cast it in one story or another one guys

564
00:23:16,430 --> 00:23:14,010
or another but I think it goes back to

565
00:23:17,779 --> 00:23:16,440
the same point well it's it's it's it's

566
00:23:19,789 --> 00:23:17,789
it's amazing that you bring up this

567
00:23:22,190 --> 00:23:19,799
theory because I have been you know I've

568
00:23:24,020 --> 00:23:22,200
been like I said I'm willing to listen

569
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:24,030
and try to understand each theory that

570
00:23:27,700 --> 00:23:26,159
comes about but lately there has been I

571
00:23:31,039 --> 00:23:27,710
mean we had freighter X on the show

572
00:23:33,230 --> 00:23:31,049
Diablo's Rex on the show we had a

573
00:23:36,130 --> 00:23:33,240
poltergeist show and every one of those

574
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:36,140
shows someone was say

575
00:23:42,700 --> 00:23:39,170
but for some reason and for some reason

576
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:42,710
now and hell knows why we are getting we

577
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:44,570
are actually opening ourselves to be

578
00:23:49,030 --> 00:23:47,330
well these attachments these parasitic

579
00:23:52,330 --> 00:23:49,040
attachments and it happens when we leave

580
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:52,340
ourselves vulnerable where we either do

581
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:54,320
drugs like really harsh drugs like

582
00:23:59,980 --> 00:23:57,650
methamphetamine or we do you know we do

583
00:24:02,290 --> 00:23:59,990
ecstasy or there's this new drug called

584
00:24:04,330 --> 00:24:02,300
flaca which is very frightening i've

585
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:04,340
seen the the what Apple look like

586
00:24:07,420 --> 00:24:05,690
they're possessed they freak out on it

587
00:24:09,970 --> 00:24:07,430
in fact it was just one story about

588
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:09,980
flaca where a girl was so possessed with

589
00:24:13,810 --> 00:24:12,320
his drug she licked every inch of a

590
00:24:17,140 --> 00:24:13,820
dance floor and shredded her tongue

591
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:17,150
that's how freaked out it was and so the

592
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:20,720
mind can open up to all of these chaotic

593
00:24:26,460 --> 00:24:23,840
frequencies and and whatever is there

594
00:24:28,780 --> 00:24:26,470
can attach itself and it won't let go

595
00:24:30,850 --> 00:24:28,790
because you're inviting with you with

596
00:24:34,300 --> 00:24:30,860
your with your you know drugs your

597
00:24:36,700 --> 00:24:34,310
alcohol maybe even I I heard a story of

598
00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:36,710
a person who got who it was being

599
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:38,510
tormented by demons because of a tattoo

600
00:24:43,330 --> 00:24:41,690
she got and it was infected and so you

601
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:43,340
know these things you know you can chalk

602
00:24:46,540 --> 00:24:44,690
them up to having some physical

603
00:24:48,850 --> 00:24:46,550
abnormality that's creating these types

604
00:24:52,090 --> 00:24:48,860
of possessions or whatever they are but

605
00:24:54,430 --> 00:24:52,100
it just seems to me that it leaves more

606
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:54,440
and more to that idea that around us all

607
00:24:58,480 --> 00:24:57,410
the time are these chaotic parasites or

608
00:25:00,360 --> 00:24:58,490
these chaotic that's what I call

609
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:00,370
paranormal it's it's beyond whatever

610
00:25:05,710 --> 00:25:03,890
parasite it can hit us and we don't know

611
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:05,720
where it comes from but it's the

612
00:25:11,260 --> 00:25:07,250
equivalent of psychosis it's the

613
00:25:12,730 --> 00:25:11,270
equivalent of a psychotic break it's the

614
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:12,740
equivalent of feeling like everything is

615
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:14,450
falling apart around you it's possession

616
00:25:18,970 --> 00:25:16,400
it's feeling a need for God it's really

617
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:18,980
a need for something and and that's why

618
00:25:21,820 --> 00:25:20,480
now there seems to be this like for

619
00:25:24,430 --> 00:25:21,830
example I talked about in the first hour

620
00:25:26,860 --> 00:25:24,440
before this program is on A&E that

621
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:26,870
destination America is gonna broadcast a

622
00:25:32,290 --> 00:25:29,690
first seance on the air or now stands an

623
00:25:35,290 --> 00:25:32,300
exorcism and I'm I told them that is a

624
00:25:36,370 --> 00:25:35,300
new achievement in idiocy well we'll get

625
00:25:39,130 --> 00:25:36,380
your comments on that coming up we I

626
00:25:41,530 --> 00:25:39,140
would like to get some opinions on this

627
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:41,540
because I was thinking yes I wouldn't

628
00:25:44,590 --> 00:25:43,010
even do an exorcism on the air but let's

629
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:44,600
let's talk about that too coming up

630
00:25:49,020 --> 00:25:46,730
Trish Myers with us tonight on ground

631
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:49,030
zero Paulino a very fascination

632
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:52,690
about paranormal parasitic attacks it's

633
00:25:57,570 --> 00:25:54,250
just an amazing theory we've got good

634
00:26:00,810 --> 00:25:57,580
more cubed here eliciting Kevin writes

635
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:00,820
he says that the mystery of of Roanoke

636
00:26:03,420 --> 00:26:02,050
didn't happen in Roanoke Virginia

637
00:26:06,510 --> 00:26:03,430
happened in Roanoke Island North

638
00:26:07,650 --> 00:26:06,520
Carolina that's what he says so I I

639
00:26:10,020 --> 00:26:07,660
stand corrected

640
00:26:11,910 --> 00:26:10,030
is that right I don't know as do i yes

641
00:26:13,650 --> 00:26:11,920
we all do but let's see that's easy to

642
00:26:16,260 --> 00:26:13,660
screw up because I haven't really I mean

643
00:26:17,730 --> 00:26:16,270
the Roanoke story is something that you

644
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:17,740
know immediately I thought it's the

645
00:26:20,790 --> 00:26:19,450
first settlement that kind of gets

646
00:26:23,340 --> 00:26:20,800
crossed off the list here because of

647
00:26:24,810 --> 00:26:23,350
what happened and so you really don't

648
00:26:26,850 --> 00:26:24,820
have much to stand on we talk about

649
00:26:27,420 --> 00:26:26,860
except your own over Jane yeah Lynchburg

650
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:27,430
I don't know

651
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:30,250
so Kevin thank you for correcting us all

652
00:26:35,220 --> 00:26:32,050
right we all feel stupid and now we'll

653
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:35,230
move on so here's the deal this this

654
00:26:38,490 --> 00:26:36,850
whole theory of yours Paul is just

655
00:26:43,380 --> 00:26:38,500
intriguing me and is scaring the hell

656
00:26:45,150 --> 00:26:43,390
out of Tricia yes so so that means we

657
00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:45,160
wade into waters I mean you studied the

658
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:47,110
priesthood so what's let's talk it in a

659
00:26:51,570 --> 00:26:49,840
God way you know you're waiting into bad

660
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:51,580
waters what are the bad waters you're

661
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:53,890
waiting into to get these parasites well

662
00:26:56,490 --> 00:26:55,330
one reason that's one reason they threw

663
00:26:59,930 --> 00:26:56,500
me out of the seminary because they

664
00:27:03,570 --> 00:26:59,940
didn't want me doing this but the priest

665
00:27:06,150 --> 00:27:03,580
priestly training does not include the

666
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:06,160
paranormal oddly enough right and I got

667
00:27:11,930 --> 00:27:08,320
into what on my own for reasons that I

668
00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:11,940
probably don't have time to explain but

669
00:27:21,330 --> 00:27:18,510
the whole idea of us applying terms and

670
00:27:23,310 --> 00:27:21,340
notions that we can understand to things

671
00:27:24,750 --> 00:27:23,320
that are beyond us really kind of

672
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:24,760
includes the things that might have to

673
00:27:31,020 --> 00:27:28,690
do with God and our terms alone whatever

674
00:27:33,060 --> 00:27:31,030
one thing our languages are especially

675
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:33,070
English is really as much as I love the

676
00:27:37,290 --> 00:27:34,690
English language really is not up to

677
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:37,300
actually talking about this stuff I know

678
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:40,090
I'll say the word soul and you will

679
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:41,770
think of one thing I might think of

680
00:27:46,770 --> 00:27:43,330
something entirely different even God

681
00:27:48,750 --> 00:27:46,780
what is God he-she it or them depends

682
00:27:51,210 --> 00:27:48,760
who you talk to what does it mean are we

683
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:51,220
part of God are we separate from God are

684
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:53,890
we Islands into ourselves or we one big

685
00:27:59,370 --> 00:27:57,730
guy alike organism right these are all

686
00:28:00,840 --> 00:27:59,380
questions that you have to resolve

687
00:28:01,650 --> 00:28:00,850
before you can even talk about this

688
00:28:04,140 --> 00:28:01,660
stuff

689
00:28:05,940 --> 00:28:04,150
but theologically I didn't think that

690
00:28:08,190 --> 00:28:05,950
was good enough either just as the old

691
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:08,200
spiritualist ideas of what say what

692
00:28:12,420 --> 00:28:10,690
ghosts are poltergeists or the

693
00:28:14,820 --> 00:28:12,430
scientific ideas that were poltergeist

694
00:28:17,460 --> 00:28:14,830
might be they just aren't good enough

695
00:28:19,370 --> 00:28:17,470
maybe the people who have come up with

696
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:19,380
the theories have never experienced them

697
00:28:24,060 --> 00:28:22,330
probably maybe not as much as I have

698
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:24,070
although not in recent well and not only

699
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:25,690
that Paul but you know you're looking at

700
00:28:28,890 --> 00:28:27,850
a number of people who say I'll believe

701
00:28:30,660 --> 00:28:28,900
in this stuff means I haven't

702
00:28:33,030 --> 00:28:30,670
experienced anything but the truth of

703
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:33,040
matter is they don't know what the

704
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:34,330
experience is they don't know what it's

705
00:28:37,290 --> 00:28:35,890
like and let somebody points it out to

706
00:28:39,030 --> 00:28:37,300
them and says you see that did you see

707
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:39,040
that that was that wasn't an apparition

708
00:28:43,470 --> 00:28:41,770
oh sure it looks like smoke to me no

709
00:28:46,020 --> 00:28:43,480
okay tell me how that smoke come from

710
00:28:47,730 --> 00:28:46,030
out of nowhere or look at that that

711
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:47,740
thing floating by Oh what is that

712
00:28:51,330 --> 00:28:50,050
that's an orb or even those they don't

713
00:28:53,370 --> 00:28:51,340
they don't notice these things because

714
00:28:54,660 --> 00:28:53,380
they're too busy looking elsewhere I was

715
00:28:55,950 --> 00:28:54,670
in the middle of something one time and

716
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:55,960
I had to make a shock of my life we were

717
00:29:00,480 --> 00:28:58,720
doing a ghost investigation and while I

718
00:29:02,430 --> 00:29:00,490
was on the air I actually heard a ghost

719
00:29:03,810 --> 00:29:02,440
whisper into the microphone it was one

720
00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:03,820
of the strangest things I ever heard and

721
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:06,310
I had never experienced that before I've

722
00:29:09,150 --> 00:29:07,810
seen ghosts I've seen apparitions but

723
00:29:11,250 --> 00:29:09,160
I've never heard anybody whisper into a

724
00:29:12,900 --> 00:29:11,260
microphone we were talking about taking

725
00:29:14,580 --> 00:29:12,910
the ghost out of the room and one of the

726
00:29:15,900 --> 00:29:14,590
ghosts woke up and said you know make

727
00:29:17,910 --> 00:29:15,910
sure that I'm not cold

728
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:17,920
you know I leave and I just thought that

729
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:19,810
was interesting that these things are

730
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:21,730
being said and and that you know people

731
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:22,960
who don't experience these things often

732
00:29:26,670 --> 00:29:25,090
are very critical but you give them the

733
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:26,680
opportunity to say okay let's spend the

734
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:28,570
night somewhere scary and they go oh no

735
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:29,130
uh-uh

736
00:29:33,030 --> 00:29:31,930
Paulino with us tonight Trish Myers was

737
00:29:34,770 --> 00:29:33,040
tight as well we'll talk more about the

738
00:29:37,340 --> 00:29:34,780
Bell Witch and other strange scariness

739
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:37,350
and your phone calls at triple-eight 673

740
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:39,760
3700 we'll be back don't go away

741
00:29:44,190 --> 00:29:42,370
triple 867 3 3,700

742
00:29:47,610 --> 00:29:44,200
Paulino with his tonight on ground zero

743
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:47,620
the book is called the Blair the bolt

744
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:51,850
the belt about bulb it's the Bell Witch

745
00:29:57,380 --> 00:29:55,330
Project there we go trying to separate

746
00:29:59,520 --> 00:29:57,390
the Blair and the Bell in the bowl and

747
00:30:01,890 --> 00:29:59,530
we're giving you no bull were you me the

748
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:01,900
bell the Bell which Paul you know

749
00:30:05,070 --> 00:30:03,370
tonight with us and it's glad to have

750
00:30:06,690 --> 00:30:05,080
him aboard because he's getting my mind

751
00:30:09,270 --> 00:30:06,700
thinking and that's awesome that he's

752
00:30:11,670 --> 00:30:09,280
with us getting our minds thinking about

753
00:30:15,030 --> 00:30:11,680
what could be and giving his expert

754
00:30:17,180 --> 00:30:15,040
opinion you know when when theories like

755
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:17,190
this come about or the idea come about

756
00:30:21,570 --> 00:30:19,600
it seems that people more and more

757
00:30:23,340 --> 00:30:21,580
earnestly trying to figure out the truth

758
00:30:27,419 --> 00:30:23,350
behind these demon possessions or the

759
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:27,429
truth behind incarnations of spirits or

760
00:30:32,010 --> 00:30:30,610
whatever and one of the problems I have

761
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:32,020
and one of the things that sets us back

762
00:30:36,450 --> 00:30:33,850
in investigations is when everybody

763
00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:36,460
tends to say that every spirit and every

764
00:30:40,110 --> 00:30:37,809
ghost and everything out there is just a

765
00:30:43,799 --> 00:30:40,120
demon what do you say to people say that

766
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:43,809
everything is a demon well I tell them

767
00:30:49,290 --> 00:30:46,720
that they have not really experienced

768
00:30:52,350 --> 00:30:49,300
the phenomena because none of that as I

769
00:30:55,140 --> 00:30:52,360
say holds up the whole demon thing is is

770
00:30:57,180 --> 00:30:55,150
often a retreat into an easy explanation

771
00:31:00,690 --> 00:30:57,190
for those with certain religious beliefs

772
00:31:02,250 --> 00:31:00,700
okay however so is the notion of

773
00:31:04,049 --> 00:31:02,260
spiritualism when it comes to

774
00:31:05,340 --> 00:31:04,059
interpreting ghosts they have to be

775
00:31:05,850 --> 00:31:05,350
spirits of the Dead right what else

776
00:31:07,710 --> 00:31:05,860
could they be

777
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:07,720
let me ask you a question Clyde before

778
00:31:12,270 --> 00:31:09,760
the break you mentioned an experience of

779
00:31:14,190 --> 00:31:12,280
a ghost whispering into a microphone

780
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:14,200
well how did that ghost do that if it

781
00:31:19,980 --> 00:31:17,050
didn't have vocal cords how does the

782
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:19,990
sound around it it did what it used the

783
00:31:25,230 --> 00:31:22,570
sound that was in the room it was the

784
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:25,240
sounds of a compression engines

785
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:26,320
everything else and I heard the

786
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:27,760
compression engine and we have it on

787
00:31:33,660 --> 00:31:31,600
tape it said it and not only that but I

788
00:31:35,700 --> 00:31:33,670
also have a theory that when you go out

789
00:31:37,140 --> 00:31:35,710
on EVP hunts and stuff like that but

790
00:31:38,430 --> 00:31:37,150
you're projecting that stuff into the

791
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:38,440
tape or you're projecting that stuff

792
00:31:42,380 --> 00:31:39,970
into the recording I think there are

793
00:31:45,270 --> 00:31:42,390
many cases that's correct I think that

794
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:45,280
you you go for it you asked for it and

795
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:47,530
whatever energy is out there then it's

796
00:31:52,410 --> 00:31:49,450
an intelligent energy like a quote ghost

797
00:31:54,900 --> 00:31:52,420
it goes through you and it comes out of

798
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:54,910
you or it it doesn't kind of you vocally

799
00:31:58,060 --> 00:31:55,250
but

800
00:32:01,750 --> 00:31:58,070
out of you somehow or it uses the sound

801
00:32:03,670 --> 00:32:01,760
around you to create the EVP because it

802
00:32:05,290 --> 00:32:03,680
doesn't have vocal cords but it does

803
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:05,300
have a way to because that's why

804
00:32:09,610 --> 00:32:07,310
batteries tend to die when you're out

805
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:09,620
doing a ghost investigation mm-hmm that

806
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:12,770
is why because they take the energy and

807
00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:14,210
they rob the energy from whatever source

808
00:32:16,750 --> 00:32:16,310
they can including you so that's why

809
00:32:18,820 --> 00:32:16,760
though

810
00:32:21,820 --> 00:32:18,830
yes yeah that's what it anyone I have to

811
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:21,830
talk some more figures I like that okay

812
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:23,840
I've heard it before but you know and I

813
00:32:27,850 --> 00:32:26,240
wish my son Ben was with us because he's

814
00:32:29,890 --> 00:32:27,860
a sound expert he has a degree from

815
00:32:32,500 --> 00:32:29,900
Emerson College in that subject and he

816
00:32:34,330 --> 00:32:32,510
can really talk about EVPs of what

817
00:32:36,100 --> 00:32:34,340
people think reavie pieces frame but in

818
00:32:38,290 --> 00:32:36,110
any case to get back to your question if

819
00:32:40,300 --> 00:32:38,300
I may the whole demon thing I say you

820
00:32:42,670 --> 00:32:40,310
know it's again it's not not good enough

821
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:42,680
none of it is good enough and I tell

822
00:32:47,020 --> 00:32:44,240
people well there are many people who

823
00:32:48,850 --> 00:32:47,030
are very positive experiences and I'll

824
00:32:50,410 --> 00:32:48,860
tell them that and I'll also say that

825
00:32:52,330 --> 00:32:50,420
the demons quote-unquote that I've

826
00:32:54,220 --> 00:32:52,340
tangled with including during exorcisms

827
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:54,230
and I haven't performed exorcisms I'm

828
00:32:59,890 --> 00:32:56,690
not qualified but I've assisted at them

829
00:33:03,460 --> 00:32:59,900
with a priest in the early days that

830
00:33:06,190 --> 00:33:03,470
those don't fit the bill either they

831
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:06,200
they will respond very often to to the

832
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:08,690
name of Isis for example yeah depending

833
00:33:12,970 --> 00:33:10,880
on the person's religious belief exactly

834
00:33:15,820 --> 00:33:12,980
they are in nature

835
00:33:18,010 --> 00:33:15,830
mimics much like you see their walking

836
00:33:19,810 --> 00:33:18,020
sticks that you know that things animals

837
00:33:21,970 --> 00:33:19,820
are insects that will blend into their

838
00:33:24,460 --> 00:33:21,980
environment to avoid being eaten well

839
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:24,470
these peril or - or when they prey upon

840
00:33:27,460 --> 00:33:25,760
other creatures

841
00:33:29,650 --> 00:33:27,470
I think these parasites will do the same

842
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:29,660
thing they will conform to what you want

843
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:32,330
them to be in many cases yeah that would

844
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:34,880
explain a lot and it's also interesting

845
00:33:40,180 --> 00:33:38,720
that when ever you hear the exorcisms

846
00:33:43,510 --> 00:33:40,190
are what like for example was what was

847
00:33:46,180 --> 00:33:43,520
shown in William Friedkin's Exorcist was

848
00:33:48,550 --> 00:33:46,190
when father Karras was in the room with

849
00:33:49,510 --> 00:33:48,560
Reagan Reagan was saying everything and

850
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:49,520
doing everything that would get on

851
00:33:53,530 --> 00:33:51,050
father Karras has nerves or aggravate

852
00:33:55,900 --> 00:33:53,540
him you know where your mother's in with

853
00:33:58,030 --> 00:33:55,910
in here Karras or you know number of

854
00:33:59,740 --> 00:33:58,040
things like that and and that's because

855
00:34:01,870 --> 00:33:59,750
there's some sort of psychology

856
00:34:04,750 --> 00:34:01,880
parapsychology I guess some sort of

857
00:34:07,470 --> 00:34:04,760
psychology behind demon appearances

858
00:34:11,910 --> 00:34:07,480
demon possession and it's not that

859
00:34:15,390 --> 00:34:11,920
they read your mind they somehow respond

860
00:34:16,860 --> 00:34:15,400
to emotional electric electrical impulse

861
00:34:19,590 --> 00:34:16,870
is provided by the chemicals and

862
00:34:20,850 --> 00:34:19,600
emotional responses in the brain and

863
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:20,860
that doesn't mean you're hallucinating

864
00:34:24,210 --> 00:34:22,810
it means that there are powers out there

865
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:24,220
that respond to you because you are a

866
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:27,010
transmitter you are a conductor of this

867
00:34:31,950 --> 00:34:29,410
type of spiritual or what you could call

868
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:31,960
electromagnetic bombardment from

869
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:33,970
whatever it is it's out there that's or

870
00:34:38,460 --> 00:34:35,440
trying to organize itself through your

871
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,470
through your energy well that may very

872
00:34:41,670 --> 00:34:40,240
well be part of it but let me go you one

873
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:41,680
better you really want to be creeped out

874
00:34:47,730 --> 00:34:45,010
okay what's some of this if you look at

875
00:34:50,030 --> 00:34:47,740
this whole multiverse theory and take it

876
00:34:53,180 --> 00:34:50,040
to its logical or illogical conclusion

877
00:34:56,970 --> 00:34:53,190
there seem to be points at which we are

878
00:34:58,800 --> 00:34:56,980
one or there is an identity between us

879
00:35:01,530 --> 00:34:58,810
and not only other versions of ourselves

880
00:35:03,810 --> 00:35:01,540
in these other worlds but other versions

881
00:35:05,940 --> 00:35:03,820
of everything else I began to wonder

882
00:35:07,770 --> 00:35:05,950
about this very seriously when I was

883
00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:07,780
lecturing one time at a college Mountain

884
00:35:11,490 --> 00:35:09,250
I had a college up near Boston and I

885
00:35:12,930 --> 00:35:11,500
love it when I lecture at college is in

886
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:12,940
the end they put me in a big armchair

887
00:35:16,260 --> 00:35:14,800
like Santa Claus and all the students

888
00:35:19,140 --> 00:35:16,270
come up and tell me they're stars right

889
00:35:21,690 --> 00:35:19,150
and this particular there were two

890
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:21,700
freshmen came up to two girls and they

891
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:26,320
said we were sisters from the start and

892
00:35:29,490 --> 00:35:27,760
that never met each other before never

893
00:35:31,830 --> 00:35:29,500
knew each other we saw each other across

894
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:31,840
a crowded room at registration day and

895
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:34,330
sisters from the start why was that and

896
00:35:37,950 --> 00:35:35,650
I've been talking about human

897
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:37,960
relationships in the multiverse and I

898
00:35:43,790 --> 00:35:41,200
said because at some point somewhere and

899
00:35:49,170 --> 00:35:43,800
some when among all these many worlds

900
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:49,180
you are each other and I think at some

901
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:51,010
point in the possession cases I've

902
00:35:56,970 --> 00:35:53,530
witnessed that at some point that

903
00:35:59,580 --> 00:35:56,980
parasite and that person are each other

904
00:36:02,430 --> 00:35:59,590
and since parasites seemed to have a lot

905
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:02,440
of free rein moving among worlds they

906
00:36:07,470 --> 00:36:05,440
are attracted by the dinner bell of what

907
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:07,480
we've discussed the emotions the pain

908
00:36:11,970 --> 00:36:09,970
and they reached the point where they

909
00:36:15,150 --> 00:36:11,980
are this person and that's what happens

910
00:36:17,220 --> 00:36:15,160
I've never seen an identity in the sense

911
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:17,230
of a physical identity with the parasite

912
00:36:20,180 --> 00:36:19,210
totally controlling it is a cooperation

913
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:20,190
right

914
00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:22,050
I've always seen that the person who is

915
00:36:28,700 --> 00:36:24,569
possessed quote-unquote must tacitly

916
00:36:30,050 --> 00:36:28,710
agree to it oh yeah or say that they're

917
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:30,060
possessed and they're doon they're

918
00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:31,530
doomed or done for so they'll do nothing

919
00:36:35,900 --> 00:36:34,680
to overcome it the the cure-all for it

920
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:35,910
or the exorcism whatever it is the

921
00:36:39,290 --> 00:36:37,920
person who is being exorcised has to go

922
00:36:40,670 --> 00:36:39,300
into it thinking that the exercise

923
00:36:43,220 --> 00:36:40,680
exorcism is gonna work

924
00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:43,230
I find it also I applaud you for

925
00:36:46,250 --> 00:36:44,609
speaking about the idea that you can

926
00:36:48,140 --> 00:36:46,260
call demons out of people by calling out

927
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:48,150
Isis or some other God because people

928
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:49,920
always seem to think the rebuking

929
00:36:54,290 --> 00:36:52,079
process that demons only answer to Jesus

930
00:36:58,970 --> 00:36:54,300
and that's not true I have been on I've

931
00:37:01,670 --> 00:36:58,980
been on several investigations dealt

932
00:37:04,460 --> 00:37:01,680
with several demons and many of the

933
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:04,470
demons that are there or that identify

934
00:37:08,270 --> 00:37:06,960
themselves are demons that are not in I

935
00:37:11,780 --> 00:37:08,280
guess you could call them the hierarchy

936
00:37:14,180 --> 00:37:11,790
what is in the Bible demons like Pazuzu

937
00:37:16,579 --> 00:37:14,190
for example or always sooth or lamashtu

938
00:37:17,780 --> 00:37:16,589
or several other demons I've had

939
00:37:19,550 --> 00:37:17,790
encounters with her or at least have

940
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:19,560
shown up not even knowing their names

941
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:21,599
giving their names to us not even

942
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:22,890
knowing they exist and having to go back

943
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:24,569
and say oh my gosh they really do exist

944
00:37:31,130 --> 00:37:29,280
and the truth which is hotly doubts well

945
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:31,140
I mean but why would they use names I

946
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:32,880
mean it's the idea that I didn't know

947
00:37:37,849 --> 00:37:34,410
who the hell Oh be sooth was until I was

948
00:37:39,050 --> 00:37:37,859
until I was at a seance in a bar and and

949
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:39,060
all these women were doubling over in

950
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:41,760
pain because the demon came in because

951
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:42,960
there was a woman sitting in a seance

952
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:46,079
table who had a baby in her womb and was

953
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:50,010
drinking alcohol boy and that triggered

954
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:51,839
and because I told people I said if

955
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:53,520
you're coming to the seance we're using

956
00:37:57,319 --> 00:37:55,530
a number of Oracle's including a Ouija

957
00:37:58,940 --> 00:37:57,329
board ladies and gentlemen we're using a

958
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:58,950
Ouija board and therefore if we're in

959
00:38:04,609 --> 00:38:01,040
this room using a Ouija board we cannot

960
00:38:06,650 --> 00:38:04,619
allow for any drinking of alcohol any

961
00:38:08,329 --> 00:38:06,660
impairment due to drugs or anything else

962
00:38:10,940 --> 00:38:08,339
because that will freak the board out

963
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:10,950
now we did it all well to Paul we had

964
00:38:16,730 --> 00:38:13,650
corners we had people standing at every

965
00:38:18,380 --> 00:38:16,740
corner to guard the entire seance from

966
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:18,390
having any kind of demon enter in and

967
00:38:22,190 --> 00:38:19,920
the problem I have is all of them were

968
00:38:23,690 --> 00:38:22,200
female and when that demon entered it

969
00:38:25,970 --> 00:38:23,700
they all doubled over in pain because

970
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:25,980
they felt that thing enter into them and

971
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:28,410
they was looking for that child I rush

972
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:29,609
that woman out of the room because I

973
00:38:32,910 --> 00:38:31,050
didn't know why I just felt I needed to

974
00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:32,920
and when I came back

975
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:35,110
I realized oh my gosh what is this and

976
00:38:38,820 --> 00:38:37,330
and the girl that I was with who doesn't

977
00:38:41,100 --> 00:38:38,830
believe in any of this stuff she was the

978
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:41,110
she was described she said to me she

979
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:45,010
said the demons name is obese Authority

980
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:46,960
soothe or something always suit and we

981
00:38:50,070 --> 00:38:48,160
looked it up and found out it was a

982
00:38:51,330 --> 00:38:50,080
Mesopotamian demon that would attack

983
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:51,340
children the same demon they were

984
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:52,810
talking about on Sleepy Hollow two or

985
00:38:55,980 --> 00:38:54,730
three weeks ago I was like blown away

986
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:55,990
and they even talk about in the

987
00:38:59,790 --> 00:38:57,370
possession that movie about the Dybbuk

988
00:39:01,440 --> 00:38:59,800
and I haven't know the guy like Kevin

989
00:39:03,630 --> 00:39:01,450
Mannis who had that Dybbuk box he lives

990
00:39:06,210 --> 00:39:03,640
here in Oregon but it's just that the

991
00:39:09,390 --> 00:39:06,220
whole idea here is that there are demons

992
00:39:11,820 --> 00:39:09,400
out there that aren't typical that don't

993
00:39:13,650 --> 00:39:11,830
come from the times of Jesus the people

994
00:39:15,660 --> 00:39:13,660
all think that the rebuking of Jesus is

995
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:15,670
the is the bacterial solvent that will

996
00:39:18,450 --> 00:39:16,690
get rid of all of it and it doesn't

997
00:39:19,890 --> 00:39:18,460
happen that way especially when we're

998
00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:19,900
dealing with Middle Eastern demons like

999
00:39:24,990 --> 00:39:21,670
jinn and others that may be inhabiting

1000
00:39:26,430 --> 00:39:25,000
people well I hear you clawed well I

1001
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:26,440
remember one of the exorcisms that I

1002
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:28,330
shouldn't three of three of them I

1003
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:30,610
participated in about ten three of them

1004
00:39:35,010 --> 00:39:33,130
were on the same person which I thought

1005
00:39:36,270 --> 00:39:35,020
was not a good idea because I'm a young

1006
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:36,280
student I mean like they're gonna listen

1007
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:38,890
to me right right so and in the end it

1008
00:39:42,410 --> 00:39:40,240
seemed to be successful but there were

1009
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:42,420
plenty that just were not successful

1010
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:45,520
using those methods which Rob's of

1011
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:46,890
course were Roman Catholic

1012
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:48,640
institutionalized methods as you

1013
00:39:52,620 --> 00:39:51,610
described right well and not only that

1014
00:39:55,770 --> 00:39:52,630
but another thing that irritates me is

1015
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:55,780
these ghost shows that I watch and they

1016
00:40:00,000 --> 00:39:57,330
have ghosts and they say go to the light

1017
00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:00,010
and I go what you pick that up from

1018
00:40:03,390 --> 00:40:02,110
poltergeist they say how would you like

1019
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:03,400
it if I said to you go to the bathroom

1020
00:40:06,270 --> 00:40:04,690
and you didn't have to go to the

1021
00:40:07,830 --> 00:40:06,280
bathroom would you go to the bathroom no

1022
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:07,840
I know then why do you tell ghost to go

1023
00:40:12,030 --> 00:40:09,760
to the light I mean they don't have to

1024
00:40:13,650 --> 00:40:12,040
go to like you tell them to it says that

1025
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:13,660
it's a dumbest thing I've ever seen and

1026
00:40:16,260 --> 00:40:15,010
whenever I go on a ghost hunt I hear

1027
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:16,270
stories they go to light I said get the

1028
00:40:20,460 --> 00:40:17,890
hell out of here I don't want you around

1029
00:40:23,340 --> 00:40:20,470
here cuz you're a [\h__\h] and you gonna

1030
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:23,350
tempt or piss off the ghost or the demon

1031
00:40:26,430 --> 00:40:25,210
whatever it is it's in this room I don't

1032
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:26,440
have anything to do with you so I mean

1033
00:40:31,380 --> 00:40:29,200
thank heaven for you Paulie no I just

1034
00:40:32,460 --> 00:40:31,390
thank you for acknowledging the

1035
00:40:34,830 --> 00:40:32,470
conversation of the paranormal because

1036
00:40:36,510 --> 00:40:34,840
quite frankly there's so many amateurs

1037
00:40:37,860 --> 00:40:36,520
out and I want to get more on the bail

1038
00:40:39,810 --> 00:40:37,870
which because we have a relative the

1039
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:39,820
bail which waiting on line but I also

1040
00:40:45,330 --> 00:40:41,890
want to talk about this exorcism coming

1041
00:40:45,780 --> 00:40:45,340
up on on this this destination America I

1042
00:40:47,550 --> 00:40:45,790
want

1043
00:40:50,010 --> 00:40:47,560
- and how this may be a backfire

1044
00:40:51,540 --> 00:40:50,020
triple-eight 673 3,700 will be back

1045
00:40:54,210 --> 00:40:51,550
because of the fact that there's new

1046
00:40:56,750 --> 00:40:54,220
interest in the in the bill which

1047
00:40:59,310 --> 00:40:56,760
investigation you know so much

1048
00:41:03,120 --> 00:40:59,320
information or very little information

1049
00:41:06,180 --> 00:41:03,130
about Kate batts she was deemed the

1050
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:06,190
witch okay now this is where it gets

1051
00:41:13,020 --> 00:41:09,010
confusing this guy who's doing the show

1052
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:13,030
tonight on a and E claims and he comes

1053
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:16,000
from a family line from I believe Kate

1054
00:41:20,490 --> 00:41:18,850
batts that he was that that I guess John

1055
00:41:22,970 --> 00:41:20,500
Bell had an affair with Kate batts is

1056
00:41:25,170 --> 00:41:22,980
that true well he claims that he had a

1057
00:41:26,580 --> 00:41:25,180
it was descended from the Bell family

1058
00:41:29,490 --> 00:41:26,590
well I'll tell you something about Kate

1059
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:29,500
batts Clyde my genealogical information

1060
00:41:37,170 --> 00:41:34,090
is that Kate batts was the niece of Lucy

1061
00:41:40,220 --> 00:41:37,180
Williams a Lucy Williams Bell John bells

1062
00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:40,230
wife so she was his niece by marriage

1063
00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:43,510
much more interesting is the idea that

1064
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:47,110
there was sexual abuse going on by John

1065
00:41:52,290 --> 00:41:50,290
Bell of the daughter Betsy the pattern

1066
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:52,300
of the phenomena is very interesting in

1067
00:41:58,920 --> 00:41:55,330
that light so I think that we may have a

1068
00:42:01,010 --> 00:41:58,930
case right as I say I think Kate is sort

1069
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:01,020
of the the historical victim in this

1070
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:03,730
there isn't there was no evidence that

1071
00:42:07,890 --> 00:42:06,250
I've ever found of any layin dispute

1072
00:42:09,540 --> 00:42:07,900
that said that she put a curse on the

1073
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:09,550
family matter fact there's no evidence

1074
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:10,930
that she was a witch at all whatever

1075
00:42:15,170 --> 00:42:12,970
that may mean yeah I think we've got

1076
00:42:18,750 --> 00:42:15,180
John bell ringing the dinner bell for

1077
00:42:22,110 --> 00:42:18,760
parasites by perhaps sexually abusing

1078
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:22,120
lose should say yeah Lucy that that came

1079
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:23,770
out later in her life supposedly when

1080
00:42:29,220 --> 00:42:26,770
she was married and much later and the

1081
00:42:32,250 --> 00:42:29,230
whole pattern of the abuse of Lucy by

1082
00:42:34,380 --> 00:42:32,260
the entity and then the thing turning on

1083
00:42:36,750 --> 00:42:34,390
John Bell supposedly killing him it's

1084
00:42:38,490 --> 00:42:36,760
something I think is exaggerated right

1085
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:38,500
it's much more interesting to me than

1086
00:42:42,090 --> 00:42:40,240
any story about Kate batts well I'll get

1087
00:42:43,650 --> 00:42:42,100
on is that Lesley she's calling from San

1088
00:42:45,570 --> 00:42:43,660
Diego California and Lesley says that

1089
00:42:50,570 --> 00:42:45,580
she is a relative of Kate batts go ahead

1090
00:42:54,510 --> 00:42:50,580
Lesley you're on the Pali no you guys

1091
00:42:56,460 --> 00:42:54,520
tonight I've learned actually a little

1092
00:42:59,000 --> 00:42:56,470
bit so far that I didn't really know

1093
00:43:02,660 --> 00:42:59,010
before concerning the story

1094
00:43:04,820 --> 00:43:02,670
I call Quietus because I was thinking

1095
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:04,830
about this as a result of you covering

1096
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:06,690
it on the show tonight and I remember an

1097
00:43:13,010 --> 00:43:09,810
aspect of the story where the spirit the

1098
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:13,020
poltergeist that was involved in this

1099
00:43:19,730 --> 00:43:16,650
situation was actually given sermons in

1100
00:43:22,850 --> 00:43:19,740
a house of the Bell family right and it

1101
00:43:25,130 --> 00:43:22,860
was yeah and it was later discovered

1102
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:25,140
that Ashleigh the spirit this

1103
00:43:31,220 --> 00:43:27,930
poltergeist was mimicking sermons that

1104
00:43:35,690 --> 00:43:31,230
were going on 3040 miles away I think by

1105
00:43:38,090 --> 00:43:35,700
a Baptist preacher which always kind of

1106
00:43:42,350 --> 00:43:38,100
astounded me because that tells me that

1107
00:43:44,450 --> 00:43:42,360
there's some type of on-time transient I

1108
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:44,460
don't know how you would how would you

1109
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:46,650
turn that quiet I would say maybe I've

1110
00:43:52,100 --> 00:43:49,410
said before transitory some sort of

1111
00:43:54,140 --> 00:43:52,110
transitory mimicking where they were

1112
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:54,150
aware or the spirit was aware of what

1113
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:56,010
this priest was talking there and and

1114
00:43:59,960 --> 00:43:57,450
Paul wouldn't there be like some sort of

1115
00:44:01,880 --> 00:43:59,970
a if there was a problem here because I

1116
00:44:03,740 --> 00:44:01,890
remember what that minister Johnston was

1117
00:44:06,050 --> 00:44:03,750
there as well could they have been in on

1118
00:44:08,330 --> 00:44:06,060
some sort of an abusive situation where

1119
00:44:09,470 --> 00:44:08,340
the where the Baptist minister there

1120
00:44:11,420 --> 00:44:09,480
would turn the other way and maybe

1121
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:11,430
that's why you would have a demon

1122
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:13,170
quoting scripture because I've said

1123
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:14,970
before you know when when Jesus was in

1124
00:44:19,610 --> 00:44:16,530
the wilderness the Saint would quote

1125
00:44:21,230 --> 00:44:19,620
scripture no problem sure sure well

1126
00:44:23,660 --> 00:44:21,240
anything is possible quiet I mean

1127
00:44:25,010 --> 00:44:23,670
especially at this distance in time what

1128
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:25,020
I think might have been happening here

1129
00:44:29,450 --> 00:44:27,090
is as you say a time sort of thing and

1130
00:44:31,100 --> 00:44:29,460
the entire idea the multiverse comes

1131
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:31,110
really from the general theory of

1132
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:33,330
relativity Albert Einstein's theory then

1133
00:44:36,290 --> 00:44:34,560
essentially amount to the idea that

1134
00:44:38,810 --> 00:44:36,300
there is no past there is no future

1135
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:38,820
everything of simultaneous and when you

1136
00:44:41,810 --> 00:44:40,170
when you're like these parasites that

1137
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:41,820
we've seen reaching into different

1138
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:43,440
worlds at the same time feeding on

1139
00:44:48,020 --> 00:44:45,570
different kinds of life-forms right

1140
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:48,030
including us then you can see that that

1141
00:44:52,970 --> 00:44:50,720
this this thing could very easily be

1142
00:44:54,980 --> 00:44:52,980
aware of what's going on in the church

1143
00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:54,990
40 miles away and what's going on in the

1144
00:44:58,460 --> 00:44:56,730
Bell house it's nothing to it yeah that

1145
00:45:01,400 --> 00:44:58,470
and let's say I've never heard that

1146
00:45:03,620 --> 00:45:01,410
before and that would really be a creepy

1147
00:45:06,380 --> 00:45:03,630
thing that if the entity was there

1148
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:06,390
quoting sermons from a minister that's

1149
00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:09,200
40 miles away that that would be just

1150
00:45:12,839 --> 00:45:11,250
hiding that just seeing that or even

1151
00:45:17,130 --> 00:45:12,849
experiencing that would be enough to

1152
00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:17,140
anybody out sure yeah well Keith was my

1153
00:45:21,690 --> 00:45:20,079
she was my father's grandmother's sister

1154
00:45:25,529 --> 00:45:21,700
I'm sorry my father's

1155
00:45:27,749 --> 00:45:25,539
great-grandmother's sister okay and so

1156
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:27,759
you know that that always that kind of

1157
00:45:31,739 --> 00:45:29,440
surprised me because my dad didn't tell

1158
00:45:34,819 --> 00:45:31,749
me about this until I was older but

1159
00:45:37,140 --> 00:45:34,829
Robertson County was also named after my

1160
00:45:40,109 --> 00:45:37,150
great-great-great uncle who was General

1161
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:40,119
James Robertson so there is some family

1162
00:45:45,150 --> 00:45:43,930
history of mine in Tennessee personally

1163
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:45,160
you know just in clothing because I

1164
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:47,440
don't take up too much time I don't

1165
00:45:52,319 --> 00:45:49,930
really agree with what Keith at did in

1166
00:45:55,559 --> 00:45:52,329
reference to this curse thing you know

1167
00:45:58,499 --> 00:45:55,569
so on but I do do I also want to make a

1168
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:58,509
comment the cave the Bell Witch cave I

1169
00:46:02,219 --> 00:46:00,640
did a little bit of reading on that and

1170
00:46:05,009 --> 00:46:02,229
it appears that there's some kind of

1171
00:46:08,339 --> 00:46:05,019
electromagnetic magnetic activity going

1172
00:46:10,109 --> 00:46:08,349
on a cave right yeah is there a lot of

1173
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:10,119
crystal in the cave are we looking at

1174
00:46:14,549 --> 00:46:12,880
basalt and crystal in the cave looks

1175
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:14,559
just like much many of those caves have

1176
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:16,690
that and that has always been the

1177
00:46:21,329 --> 00:46:18,960
situation where crystals anything with

1178
00:46:23,459 --> 00:46:21,339
crystalline type substances and caves or

1179
00:46:26,039 --> 00:46:23,469
even water aquifers sometimes attract

1180
00:46:28,319 --> 00:46:26,049
spirits because of the there's a lot of

1181
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:28,329
energy that absorbs in crystal and of

1182
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:29,920
course running water gives off the

1183
00:46:38,430 --> 00:46:32,410
negative ions that can create that sort

1184
00:46:40,529 --> 00:46:38,440
of feeling as well yeah that's true

1185
00:46:42,749 --> 00:46:40,539
limestone does it as well Leslie you

1186
00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:42,759
know I want to thank you for calling the

1187
00:46:45,989 --> 00:46:44,049
program that give us a little bit inside

1188
00:46:48,569 --> 00:46:45,999
of the area also letting us know about

1189
00:46:50,370 --> 00:46:48,579
how Kate batts is is your relative

1190
00:46:52,769 --> 00:46:50,380
that's amazing that we have somebody

1191
00:46:54,450 --> 00:46:52,779
listening who who has family and they're

1192
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:54,460
really close to this and I really thank

1193
00:46:58,859 --> 00:46:56,890
you for calling the program tonight okay

1194
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:58,869
thank you have a great night take care

1195
00:47:01,709 --> 00:47:00,400
Paulina with his tonight on grounds

1196
00:47:03,299 --> 00:47:01,719
they're a great call from Leslie calling

1197
00:47:05,279 --> 00:47:03,309
in from San Diego night about her family

1198
00:47:07,499 --> 00:47:05,289
Kate batts of course the alleged witch

1199
00:47:10,890 --> 00:47:07,509
in the Bell Witch case Trevor Elaine 673

1200
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:10,900
3700 as triple-eight 673 3,700 more to

1201
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:12,400
come with Polly know right here on

1202
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:14,570
ground don't go away

1203
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:18,410
the thing that's most interesting is

1204
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:21,410
that whatever you have all you have an

1205
00:47:24,780 --> 00:47:22,970
interesting conversation or you have an

1206
00:47:27,100 --> 00:47:24,790
intelligent conversation about people

1207
00:47:28,540 --> 00:47:27,110
like you for example they've experienced

1208
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:28,550
the paranormal had a background in in

1209
00:47:32,170 --> 00:47:30,530
religious studies and I mean a

1210
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:32,180
background religious studies that are

1211
00:47:38,290 --> 00:47:34,880
not biased to one pantheon or another

1212
00:47:39,370 --> 00:47:38,300
you know people take offense if you tell

1213
00:47:41,830 --> 00:47:39,380
them that everything that you've been

1214
00:47:44,980 --> 00:47:41,840
taught to ward off ghosts or spirits or

1215
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:44,990
whatever I throw it out because I had a

1216
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:46,970
situation where I was doing a an

1217
00:47:51,900 --> 00:47:48,410
investigation a preliminary

1218
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:51,910
investigation of a poltergeist story and

1219
00:47:55,660 --> 00:47:54,290
the woman I got the woman on the phone

1220
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:55,670
and they had already been visited by a

1221
00:47:59,920 --> 00:47:58,160
ghost hunter group that came in and they

1222
00:48:01,750 --> 00:47:59,930
you know turn on their lights and did

1223
00:48:03,850 --> 00:48:01,760
their booga-booga and you know flash

1224
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:03,860
their little uh you know light beams

1225
00:48:07,810 --> 00:48:05,690
everywhere and did this thing and then

1226
00:48:09,610 --> 00:48:07,820
walked out and said we feel nothing and

1227
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:09,620
yet this poor little girl that was

1228
00:48:13,300 --> 00:48:11,090
letting the house was traumatized and

1229
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:13,310
the mother didn't know what to think and

1230
00:48:17,380 --> 00:48:15,200
then the ghost group went out and they

1231
00:48:18,700 --> 00:48:17,390
basically used all their information and

1232
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:18,710
put on their Facebook page and didn't

1233
00:48:23,590 --> 00:48:21,050
ask permission and and definitely

1234
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:23,600
exploited the case and I'm thinking to

1235
00:48:27,130 --> 00:48:25,970
myself you know this is where we have to

1236
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:27,140
be careful this is where we have to put

1237
00:48:30,610 --> 00:48:28,160
ourselves on guard because there are

1238
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:30,620
people out there they they say well

1239
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:32,090
there is a ghost hunting thing because

1240
00:48:35,140 --> 00:48:33,650
this is a spiritual experience is there

1241
00:48:36,580 --> 00:48:35,150
is their way to avoid going to church

1242
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:36,590
it's their way to can't avoid you know

1243
00:48:39,130 --> 00:48:38,090
studying a religion or anything else

1244
00:48:41,020 --> 00:48:39,140
like that they think this is my

1245
00:48:42,430 --> 00:48:41,030
spiritual experiences hunting ghosts is

1246
00:48:43,810 --> 00:48:42,440
my spiritual experience and it doesn't

1247
00:48:46,090 --> 00:48:43,820
have and it's not supposed to be that

1248
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:46,100
way and so I talked to her about a few

1249
00:48:48,460 --> 00:48:47,330
things and I said to her like for

1250
00:48:51,100 --> 00:48:48,470
example this is gonna throw everybody

1251
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:51,110
off I said where I said the only dream

1252
00:48:55,150 --> 00:48:53,450
catchers in the house she's everywhere I

1253
00:48:56,890 --> 00:48:55,160
says take him out of there now take him

1254
00:48:59,770 --> 00:48:56,900
put him somewhere hide them because they

1255
00:49:00,910 --> 00:48:59,780
attract they attract these spirits

1256
00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:00,920
you're having in the house because it

1257
00:49:06,070 --> 00:49:03,250
was some sort of a dark spirit it was a

1258
00:49:07,540 --> 00:49:06,080
it was sort of this one of these child

1259
00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:07,550
catching type spirits poltergeist

1260
00:49:11,530 --> 00:49:09,710
activity and and then I asked the

1261
00:49:13,810 --> 00:49:11,540
question I says how many crosses do you

1262
00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:13,820
have hanging on your wall just every

1263
00:49:17,050 --> 00:49:15,710
wall has a cross I go take him down take

1264
00:49:19,810 --> 00:49:17,060
him down and a lot of people don't

1265
00:49:21,250 --> 00:49:19,820
realize that I've learned this I learned

1266
00:49:22,510 --> 00:49:21,260
this from priests actually in a told me

1267
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:22,520
this maybe you learn the same thing

1268
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:25,970
but they say that crucifixes and crosses

1269
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:27,440
are not to be used as ornaments on a

1270
00:49:31,970 --> 00:49:27,930
house

1271
00:49:34,250 --> 00:49:31,980
they're used for thinking and

1272
00:49:36,349 --> 00:49:34,260
contemplating and and and meditation

1273
00:49:39,049 --> 00:49:36,359
with God and some people go overboard

1274
00:49:41,359 --> 00:49:39,059
with the crosses on the walls and what

1275
00:49:43,730 --> 00:49:41,369
that does is that attracts certain types

1276
00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:43,740
of things that maybe aren't desirable

1277
00:49:47,420 --> 00:49:45,569
that a cross alone is not going to

1278
00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:47,430
protect you from an entity that wants to

1279
00:49:51,140 --> 00:49:49,529
challenge that cross and you tell that

1280
00:49:53,089 --> 00:49:51,150
if you lay oh no no the cross of God

1281
00:49:55,940 --> 00:49:53,099
protects me or they take the Bible and

1282
00:49:57,950 --> 00:49:55,950
they use it as a way to ward off the

1283
00:49:59,870 --> 00:49:57,960
spirit these things are not supposed to

1284
00:50:04,160 --> 00:49:59,880
be used for that purpose am I correct

1285
00:50:08,380 --> 00:50:04,170
here well actually you are I wish you

1286
00:50:12,140 --> 00:50:10,430
more to you because I think that you and

1287
00:50:14,660 --> 00:50:12,150
I both have basically trained in the

1288
00:50:16,519 --> 00:50:14,670
same places because I mean I I shake my

1289
00:50:18,349 --> 00:50:16,529
head at what I see on TV I shake my head

1290
00:50:19,549 --> 00:50:18,359
it at exorcisms that they're gonna have

1291
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:19,559
on television stuff like that because

1292
00:50:22,490 --> 00:50:20,970
they don't do them right they just don't

1293
00:50:24,260 --> 00:50:22,500
oh it's terrible

1294
00:50:26,299 --> 00:50:24,270
well I will tell you that the worst

1295
00:50:28,190 --> 00:50:26,309
cases I've seen of poltergeist or what

1296
00:50:30,049 --> 00:50:28,200
people might call demonic infestation

1297
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:30,059
have been in homes where people have

1298
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:33,450
strong old-time religious beliefs that

1299
00:50:36,890 --> 00:50:35,490
are really very negative your crosses on

1300
00:50:38,990 --> 00:50:36,900
every wall as you say in all this

1301
00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:39,000
business including the Bridgeport case

1302
00:50:43,069 --> 00:50:41,250
74 worked out at Lorraine Warren on that

1303
00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:43,079
and we were all convinced it was demons

1304
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:45,089
there the things that be torn off the

1305
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:46,650
wall thrown on the floor and things of

1306
00:50:51,980 --> 00:50:49,770
this kind yeah because and icons and

1307
00:50:54,500 --> 00:50:51,990
crucifixes should be used for prayer yes

1308
00:50:56,450 --> 00:50:54,510
as you say and and that's the thing is

1309
00:50:58,519 --> 00:50:56,460
you don't use God as an ornament and

1310
00:51:00,170 --> 00:50:58,529
people do and and that's and that's the

1311
00:51:01,970 --> 00:51:00,180
thing is that it is those types of

1312
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:01,980
things that you know they always say

1313
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:03,839
well you say things about God you're

1314
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:05,010
mocking I'm going you know what's more

1315
00:51:09,980 --> 00:51:06,839
mocking than anything else is using

1316
00:51:12,529 --> 00:51:09,990
Jesus as a as a token or an ornament on

1317
00:51:14,660 --> 00:51:12,539
your wall all the time or right or not

1318
00:51:16,700 --> 00:51:14,670
using him in prayer or not thinking and

1319
00:51:18,140 --> 00:51:16,710
contemplating the cross when you're when

1320
00:51:19,609 --> 00:51:18,150
you're there on your knees rather than

1321
00:51:21,289 --> 00:51:19,619
having it in front of you on a wall all

1322
00:51:22,940 --> 00:51:21,299
the time which is attracting and

1323
00:51:24,589 --> 00:51:22,950
challenging spirits to attack and I know

1324
00:51:26,359 --> 00:51:24,599
this is uncomfortable for people to hear

1325
00:51:29,029 --> 00:51:26,369
but we're learning more and more about

1326
00:51:30,890 --> 00:51:29,039
how these entities operate and I always

1327
00:51:32,690 --> 00:51:30,900
say you know Jesus is the cleanser that

1328
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:32,700
gets most of them out of there but when

1329
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:34,770
you're having a hard time and I said

1330
00:51:37,370 --> 00:51:36,000
this was its own disagreement when

1331
00:51:40,940 --> 00:51:37,380
you're having our time you have the

1332
00:51:41,570 --> 00:51:40,950
power as a human being to call upon the

1333
00:51:43,010 --> 00:51:41,580
hierarchies

1334
00:51:44,420 --> 00:51:43,020
the warrior angels to take out these

1335
00:51:45,770 --> 00:51:44,430
demons if you need to and they will

1336
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:45,780
respond to a lot of Angels because they

1337
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:47,130
they're basically on the same page

1338
00:51:50,510 --> 00:51:48,480
except they're fallen or they're

1339
00:51:51,710 --> 00:51:50,520
otherwise part of some hierarchy that

1340
00:51:52,700 --> 00:51:51,720
they understand who these people are and

1341
00:51:55,250 --> 00:51:52,710
they're afraid of them

1342
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:55,260
they simply are I hear you because there

1343
00:51:58,640 --> 00:51:56,610
are many times in the Gospels that Jesus

1344
00:52:00,380 --> 00:51:58,650
heal somebody and said it's your faith

1345
00:52:03,350 --> 00:52:00,390
who's made that's made you well

1346
00:52:04,850 --> 00:52:03,360
yes exactly no and it the power has to

1347
00:52:06,910 --> 00:52:04,860
come from inside the person you see that

1348
00:52:10,370 --> 00:52:06,920
time and time again I've seen children

1349
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:10,380
protected by teddy bears yes because

1350
00:52:15,260 --> 00:52:13,290
it's it's a conduit for their own power

1351
00:52:17,050 --> 00:52:15,270
yeah I did and then people need to

1352
00:52:19,610 --> 00:52:17,060
understand that they have more power

1353
00:52:21,950 --> 00:52:19,620
against these entities and that is a

1354
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:21,960
last resort you rebuke as a last resort

1355
00:52:26,510 --> 00:52:24,720
you you you go and you get an exorcist

1356
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:26,520
as a last resort you need to have a

1357
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:28,770
house cleansed because people need to

1358
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:30,690
remember that they're not powerless to

1359
00:52:33,980 --> 00:52:32,370
these entities and I get people all the

1360
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:33,990
time saying oh man you must side with

1361
00:52:37,070 --> 00:52:35,280
Satan you talk about this all the time I

1362
00:52:39,170 --> 00:52:37,080
said get a clue guys it's Halloween it's

1363
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:39,180
a Halloween time I'm talking about

1364
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:40,770
paranormal more so than I usually do at

1365
00:52:45,170 --> 00:52:42,720
Halloween and it's not because I'm some

1366
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:45,180
Satanist or some spiritualist that

1367
00:52:48,620 --> 00:52:46,890
believes in the devil more so that I

1368
00:52:49,970 --> 00:52:48,630
believe in Jesus I also know that wick

1369
00:52:51,980 --> 00:52:49,980
is a great religion for people who

1370
00:52:54,020 --> 00:52:51,990
practice Wicca and I do know though

1371
00:52:55,970 --> 00:52:54,030
they're witches out there but do have

1372
00:52:57,620 --> 00:52:55,980
intercourses was Satan that's okay

1373
00:52:58,850 --> 00:52:57,630
because they do that and then but I'm

1374
00:53:00,530 --> 00:52:58,860
trying to differentiate you can't always

1375
00:53:02,990 --> 00:53:00,540
do that so the good witches know who

1376
00:53:04,940 --> 00:53:03,000
they are and I have to guy I wish I

1377
00:53:06,500 --> 00:53:04,950
didn't have to step down and say no I'm

1378
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:06,510
not poking putting every witch in the

1379
00:53:09,890 --> 00:53:08,250
same category as a witch they would have

1380
00:53:11,300 --> 00:53:09,900
some sort of intercourse with Satan I

1381
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:11,310
wouldn't want that and I wouldn't say

1382
00:53:13,850 --> 00:53:12,930
that about all witches but of course

1383
00:53:15,020 --> 00:53:13,860
everybody else paints them with the

1384
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:15,030
brush so it has to be like everybody

1385
00:53:19,340 --> 00:53:17,520
else and it's not that way well it's

1386
00:53:20,990 --> 00:53:19,350
true I'm astounded by the people who

1387
00:53:22,490 --> 00:53:21,000
blame me for not embracing their

1388
00:53:24,650 --> 00:53:22,500
religious beliefs and they don't even

1389
00:53:25,940 --> 00:53:24,660
understand their own religion so you

1390
00:53:27,170 --> 00:53:25,950
don't know that you had a background in

1391
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:27,180
the priesthood they don't know and I and

1392
00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:29,010
I tell people you know little do you

1393
00:53:32,750 --> 00:53:31,200
know I'm secular because it makes it

1394
00:53:34,550 --> 00:53:32,760
more open for everybody but the truth is

1395
00:53:36,380 --> 00:53:34,560
I have a background in religion I have a

1396
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:36,390
background is studying Latin and and

1397
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:38,160
theology and I had to do it because I

1398
00:53:41,420 --> 00:53:39,450
wanted to understand more than just what

1399
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:41,430
the Bible gave me and I won't understand

1400
00:53:45,140 --> 00:53:43,410
more than you know I had read a book of

1401
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:45,150
Enoch that the book of Maccabees I was

1402
00:53:47,660 --> 00:53:46,650
reading I was reading every day I get my

1403
00:53:49,610 --> 00:53:47,670
hands on so I know a little bit about

1404
00:53:51,620 --> 00:53:49,620
religion about everybody's belief

1405
00:53:52,430 --> 00:53:51,630
systems and cultures that's why I

1406
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:52,440
studied Hebrew

1407
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:54,720
oh you did okay I could

1408
00:53:58,640 --> 00:53:56,490
this isn't the original innocent that's

1409
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:58,650
a pretty amazing story but for another

1410
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:01,440
show I learned Latin so I could read I

1411
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:05,520
read Latin briefs I was taught by the

1412
00:54:09,230 --> 00:54:06,810
Catholic priests to learn a little bit

1413
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:09,240
Latin and I because I speak Spanish and

1414
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:10,530
I figured hey Latin it's not far of a

1415
00:54:13,970 --> 00:54:12,690
jump I knew that too oh it's a great

1416
00:54:15,500 --> 00:54:13,980
help with the Romance language it is

1417
00:54:17,210 --> 00:54:15,510
it's really awesome let's go to Joe and

1418
00:54:20,930 --> 00:54:17,220
Arizona hi Joe here on ground zero

1419
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:20,940
oh hi thanks for taking the call yeah I

1420
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:23,930
actually in 1916 I was in the service

1421
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:26,400
stations and stationed in Hopkinsville

1422
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:27,930
Kentucky which is right next to

1423
00:54:33,260 --> 00:54:30,930
Clarksville Tennessee now kind of mine a

1424
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:33,270
friend of what you know three of us we

1425
00:54:40,190 --> 00:54:36,720
had a leave and you know we can leave so

1426
00:54:41,870 --> 00:54:40,200
he said well you know somehow I don't

1427
00:54:43,940 --> 00:54:41,880
know where it came from the Bell which

1428
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:43,950
came up okay

1429
00:54:52,099 --> 00:54:48,240
the Dulwich story and he said he knew

1430
00:54:54,140 --> 00:54:52,109
where the cave was so the Bell what's

1431
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:54,150
called the Bell Witch cave again I don't

1432
00:54:59,180 --> 00:54:57,450
know Andrew Jackson's coach supposedly

1433
00:55:01,339 --> 00:54:59,190
went by there once and got freaked out

1434
00:55:02,900 --> 00:55:01,349
and you know there was all kinds of

1435
00:55:05,150 --> 00:55:02,910
stories I don't remember them all

1436
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:05,160
because it's just - just so long ago

1437
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:08,250
anyway we went looking for it very near

1438
00:55:13,310 --> 00:55:11,280
it I remember a snake pit it was

1439
00:55:16,250 --> 00:55:13,320
actually oh it was a marked off limit on

1440
00:55:17,329 --> 00:55:16,260
one of our boards or bulletin boards

1441
00:55:19,940 --> 00:55:17,339
that we weren't supposed to go in that

1442
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:19,950
area because of this snake pit and we

1443
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:22,170
did we were near there and that was near

1444
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:25,170
the Bell Witch cave apparently all I can

1445
00:55:29,359 --> 00:55:26,970
remember about that snake that was that

1446
00:55:31,790 --> 00:55:29,369
was well named I mean this thing was

1447
00:55:36,050 --> 00:55:31,800
nothing but a deep pit and he's rather

1448
00:55:38,300 --> 00:55:36,060
warm you know there by the close to the

1449
00:55:42,109 --> 00:55:38,310
edges and there I mean I swear to God

1450
00:55:43,700 --> 00:55:42,119
every every ledge every walk looked like

1451
00:55:45,770 --> 00:55:43,710
it had allowed snake said not at a

1452
00:55:48,380 --> 00:55:45,780
timber rattler it was amazing the most

1453
00:55:50,690 --> 00:55:48,390
amazing thing I ever saw Wow anyway to

1454
00:55:53,210 --> 00:55:50,700
the bail which case he knew where it was

1455
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:53,220
he will you know walking up this hill

1456
00:55:58,730 --> 00:55:55,410
and then walking through the woods you

1457
00:56:01,579 --> 00:55:58,740
know how to get to it and as we

1458
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:01,589
approached all right this what he said

1459
00:56:06,770 --> 00:56:04,290
what is there is and it was big it was a

1460
00:56:08,780 --> 00:56:06,780
good-sized mound I won't call it a

1461
00:56:12,980 --> 00:56:08,790
mountain but I'll call it a good size

1462
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:12,990
and you know world wide opening and as

1463
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:17,370
we approached and I heard the gentleman

1464
00:56:23,660 --> 00:56:19,290
your guest mentioned something about a

1465
00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:23,670
dog yeah dog yeah well this was this was

1466
00:56:29,570 --> 00:56:26,250
a rabbit and it was the size of a dog I

1467
00:56:32,030 --> 00:56:29,580
mean I'd say a medium-sized dog it was

1468
00:56:35,300 --> 00:56:32,040
all white and had a black leg it's left

1469
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:35,310
leg was black with a black foot in other

1470
00:56:39,370 --> 00:56:36,570
words it was like that was the only

1471
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:39,380
black on that was that as we approached

1472
00:56:44,690 --> 00:56:43,200
you know because I guess we're here we

1473
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:44,700
want to go check it out of it you know

1474
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:47,130
little spooked I'd appreciate I remember

1475
00:56:54,190 --> 00:56:51,810
you spooked ourselves a little bit as we

1476
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:54,200
approach this thing turned on us and

1477
00:57:00,830 --> 00:56:57,090
literally stood us off and like a

1478
00:57:02,930 --> 00:57:00,840
watchdog and we I mean not much of a

1479
00:57:04,490 --> 00:57:02,940
story but we just gave us and say hey I

1480
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:04,500
ain't going near that I mean this was

1481
00:57:10,610 --> 00:57:07,770
like kennel I don't know how to compare

1482
00:57:12,590 --> 00:57:10,620
it to other than a Monty Python movies I

1483
00:57:16,220 --> 00:57:12,600
was thinking about the killer rabbit you

1484
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:16,230
know Kyle panel you know I mean I swear

1485
00:57:19,790 --> 00:57:17,760
to God oh you know this big I thought

1486
00:57:24,140 --> 00:57:19,800
was going to kill us I did and it you

1487
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:24,150
know he had the eyes weren't red per se

1488
00:57:27,290 --> 00:57:26,130
they were you know well I mean kind of

1489
00:57:29,690 --> 00:57:27,300
red I guess but they weren't like

1490
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:29,700
glowing red or frightening red like

1491
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:34,290
you've seen some photo or I want to ask

1492
00:57:38,030 --> 00:57:36,000
a question before we go to break you

1493
00:57:41,540 --> 00:57:38,040
know Joe brings up this animal is this

1494
00:57:44,540 --> 00:57:41,550
indication Paul is this indication of

1495
00:57:46,130 --> 00:57:44,550
perhaps a unfamiliar that perhaps was

1496
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:46,140
some sort of a mutant or something that

1497
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:50,640
the that was seen by mr. Bell John Bell

1498
00:57:54,140 --> 00:57:52,410
well I tend to think it might have been

1499
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:54,150
a total like thing you mentioned the

1500
00:57:57,620 --> 00:57:56,160
word taupe and I was impressed earlier

1501
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:57,630
in the show I think these things come

1502
00:58:02,180 --> 00:58:00,720
and go much as the natives will tell you

1503
00:58:03,830 --> 00:58:02,190
that Bigfoot comes and goes in the

1504
00:58:05,330 --> 00:58:03,840
tracks I'm starting to fail today the

1505
00:58:07,100 --> 00:58:05,340
tracks of a certain creature went to a

1506
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:07,110
certain point disappeared I think they

1507
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:08,880
are multiversal creatures that come and

1508
00:58:13,130 --> 00:58:10,770
go probably not not of their own

1509
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:13,140
volition one possibility

1510
00:58:15,980 --> 00:58:14,730
Joe remarkable call thank you for

1511
00:58:17,420 --> 00:58:15,990
sharing that with us because that does

1512
00:58:20,450 --> 00:58:17,430
check out because of course in the

1513
00:58:21,690 --> 00:58:20,460
history John Bell saw something on his

1514
00:58:23,850 --> 00:58:21,700
farm like that at big dog

1515
00:58:26,430 --> 00:58:23,860
what a dog with a rabbit's head I've

1516
00:58:28,110 --> 00:58:26,440
seen depictions of Wu headed dogs you

1517
00:58:29,700 --> 00:58:28,120
know it was definitely a rabbit I mean

1518
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:29,710
it was the shape of a rabbit but it was

1519
00:58:34,530 --> 00:58:31,890
besides yeah I'd say the medium so I

1520
00:58:36,660 --> 00:58:34,540
size of my dog kill that I have right

1521
00:58:38,490 --> 00:58:36,670
now at a medium-sized dog oh my god

1522
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:38,500
thing that's I just didn't want to mess

1523
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:40,210
with it I said I ain't don't forget it

1524
00:58:44,340 --> 00:58:42,640
John but I'm done with this let's go you

1525
00:58:46,170 --> 00:58:44,350
know let's go to Nashville well huh I

1526
00:58:49,740 --> 00:58:46,180
can deal with a rabbit headed dog but if

1527
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:49,750
it growl at me I'd be gone and it starts

1528
00:58:53,700 --> 00:58:51,970
come towards you ah I don't want no part

1529
00:58:55,170 --> 00:58:53,710
of it no that's the story thank you for

1530
00:58:56,820 --> 00:58:55,180
taking a call thank you it's like that

1531
00:58:58,350 --> 00:58:56,830
spider in Gilligan's Island where the

1532
00:59:00,150 --> 00:58:58,360
spiders I say they into the cave and

1533
00:59:01,380 --> 00:59:00,160
they're like being blocked by I saw that

1534
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:01,390
thing in it even though was fake it

1535
00:59:04,380 --> 00:59:03,130
scared the hell out of me this is that

1536
00:59:05,550 --> 00:59:04,390
same feeling you know you're looking at

1537
00:59:07,530 --> 00:59:05,560
something you don't understand what it

1538
00:59:10,590 --> 00:59:07,540
is it's an animal of some kind whether

1539
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:10,600
it's a huge cat or maybe a dog with you

1540
00:59:14,580 --> 00:59:11,920
know maybe a Jackalope for all we care

1541
00:59:16,140 --> 00:59:14,590
I'm just saying something like that is

1542
00:59:17,490 --> 00:59:16,150
definitely something you don't want to

1543
00:59:19,110 --> 00:59:17,500
mess with or deal with especially when

1544
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:19,120
it doesn't look familiar to you so

1545
00:59:22,590 --> 00:59:21,370
anyway Paulina with us tonight on ground

1546
00:59:24,780 --> 00:59:22,600
zero such a joy to have him on the

1547
00:59:28,380 --> 00:59:24,790
program and it's true he's one of the

1548
00:59:30,270 --> 00:59:28,390
most intelligent paranormal guys that

1549
00:59:31,410 --> 00:59:30,280
I've ever had a discussion with he is

1550
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:31,420
he's right on the money

1551
00:59:35,460 --> 00:59:33,250
I mean maybe we even went to the same

1552
00:59:38,190 --> 00:59:35,470
schools or whatever and I just I just

1553
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:38,200
know though that what he's saying I just

1554
00:59:41,820 --> 00:59:39,760
gels with me because these are some of

1555
00:59:42,900 --> 00:59:41,830
the thoughts that I've expressed when

1556
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:42,910
investigating these things and then

1557
00:59:47,390 --> 00:59:44,410
looking into these things and believe me

1558
00:59:50,070 --> 00:59:47,400
you know the more you find yourself

1559
00:59:52,620 --> 00:59:50,080
looking at these situations the more you

1560
00:59:55,230 --> 00:59:52,630
find yourself questioning even the idea

1561
00:59:56,730 --> 00:59:55,240
of having any of these things be part of

1562
00:59:58,800 --> 00:59:56,740
an afterlife maybe a dimensional thing

1563
01:00:00,540 --> 00:59:58,810
or like we were talking about the idea

1564
01:00:04,170 --> 01:00:00,550
of what are not known as a causal

1565
01:00:05,460 --> 01:00:04,180
entities that hover in the timeline but

1566
01:00:07,050 --> 01:00:05,470
don't there you have no beginning or end

1567
01:00:08,940 --> 01:00:07,060
they're just there to make sure things

1568
01:00:12,090 --> 01:00:08,950
move along and then they leave Tripoli's

1569
01:00:14,299 --> 01:00:12,100
have seven three three triple 87 three

1570
01:00:16,579 --> 01:00:14,309
3,700 we'll be back

1571
01:00:18,090 --> 01:00:16,589
Louis's around 0 Paul he knows my guest

1572
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:18,100
tonight

1573
01:00:24,150 --> 01:00:19,930
quickly while I wanted to get your

1574
01:00:25,710 --> 01:00:24,160
opinion on the of a ghost nothing goes

1575
01:00:27,450 --> 01:00:25,720
the exorcism the first exorcism being

1576
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:27,460
broadcast on television we've been

1577
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:29,650
dancing around it what's your opinion on

1578
01:00:34,500 --> 01:00:32,770
this what what could go wrong well the

1579
01:00:37,380 --> 01:00:34,510
producers informed me of this and my

1580
01:00:39,630 --> 01:00:37,390
comment was new achievement and idiocy

1581
01:00:42,090 --> 01:00:39,640
one of the problems with these parasites

1582
01:00:44,070 --> 01:00:42,100
is more recognition they get so to speak

1583
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:44,080
of the more attention the stronger they

1584
01:00:48,660 --> 01:00:46,210
can get here you have you know a good

1585
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:48,670
part of a nation paying attention to

1586
01:00:52,350 --> 01:00:50,530
this thing which if it's if it's a

1587
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:52,360
legitimate exorcism I'd be extremely

1588
01:00:56,580 --> 01:00:54,970
surprised but even if it's contrived

1589
01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:56,590
you're giving a lot of attention to

1590
01:01:00,510 --> 01:00:58,090
something very negative and that's a

1591
01:01:02,610 --> 01:01:00,520
really really stupid thing to do well

1592
01:01:04,170 --> 01:01:02,620
and they the hype is what bothers me

1593
01:01:05,790 --> 01:01:04,180
we're going to the house where the first

1594
01:01:08,610 --> 01:01:05,800
exorcism was held on the basis for the

1595
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:08,620
Exorcist and I'm like thinking okay you

1596
01:01:12,210 --> 01:01:10,410
know why would you go there first of all

1597
01:01:13,620 --> 01:01:12,220
second of all I don't think there are

1598
01:01:14,940 --> 01:01:13,630
any demons there because the you know

1599
01:01:18,690 --> 01:01:14,950
quite frankly they have an exorcism

1600
01:01:20,250 --> 01:01:18,700
there and and then so the demons have

1601
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:20,260
been exorcised so why go to the house

1602
01:01:24,330 --> 01:01:22,810
where the the exorcism took place was

1603
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:24,340
the basis for the The Exorcist it

1604
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:25,090
doesn't make any sense

1605
01:01:32,670 --> 01:01:28,210
that's ridiculous yeah and then so there

1606
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:32,680
are times when you know because I I see

1607
01:01:36,210 --> 01:01:34,090
some of these shows and I figure that

1608
01:01:38,250 --> 01:01:36,220
they are a either their conversion shows

1609
01:01:40,650 --> 01:01:38,260
where there's always some element of the

1610
01:01:43,260 --> 01:01:40,660
occult being used to say this is why it

1611
01:01:45,420 --> 01:01:43,270
happened and then they eventually say oh

1612
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:45,430
I changed my life I no longer dabbled in

1613
01:01:49,410 --> 01:01:46,930
the occult I'm thinking yeah these are

1614
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:49,420
these are nice little you know

1615
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:51,130
paranormal shows disguises Jack Chick

1616
01:01:57,270 --> 01:01:54,730
tracts I don't know but I wish though

1617
01:01:58,920 --> 01:01:57,280
that you know with all of the variety of

1618
01:02:00,480 --> 01:01:58,930
these ghost shows I wish they would kind

1619
01:02:02,430 --> 01:02:00,490
of trim the fat a bit and put only the

1620
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:02,440
good ones on the guys are really you

1621
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:03,610
know they're really doing a great job

1622
01:02:08,910 --> 01:02:06,250
and always come up with you know pretty

1623
01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:08,920
smart you know conclusions that aren't

1624
01:02:11,940 --> 01:02:10,240
necessarily but I don't believe

1625
01:02:13,470 --> 01:02:11,950
anything's happening I mean no one's you

1626
01:02:15,300 --> 01:02:13,480
know people are calling you to come to

1627
01:02:17,540 --> 01:02:15,310
the place to investigate it they have

1628
01:02:19,650 --> 01:02:17,550
the they've seen this they've

1629
01:02:21,420 --> 01:02:19,660
experienced it and then some ghost

1630
01:02:23,070 --> 01:02:21,430
groups shows up for like three days and

1631
01:02:24,300 --> 01:02:23,080
says Ivan's to you anything so obviously

1632
01:02:26,940 --> 01:02:24,310
nothing's happening that doesn't make

1633
01:02:29,010 --> 01:02:26,950
any sense well we're always making

1634
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:29,020
pilots and being contacted by producers

1635
01:02:32,010 --> 01:02:30,490
but I'll tell you collide they

1636
01:02:34,410 --> 01:02:32,020
always come back and say in so many

1637
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:34,420
words you're too intelligent yeah that's

1638
01:02:38,310 --> 01:02:36,160
the problem and that's against one of

1639
01:02:40,170 --> 01:02:38,320
the reasons why I'm hardly used on these

1640
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:40,180
TV shows because III don't feel right

1641
01:02:43,500 --> 01:02:42,490
about making stuff up it's like I was

1642
01:02:45,570 --> 01:02:43,510
saying the beginning the show when the

1643
01:02:46,830 --> 01:02:45,580
whole Blair Witch thing happened and I

1644
01:02:48,270 --> 01:02:46,840
was introduced to Heather Donahue and I

1645
01:02:50,250 --> 01:02:48,280
was introduced to head were Eduardo

1646
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:50,260
Sanchez I had him on the show and I

1647
01:02:53,460 --> 01:02:51,520
immediately realized and Heather Donaghy

1648
01:02:55,410 --> 01:02:53,470
was the girl in the frickin movie she

1649
01:02:57,540 --> 01:02:55,420
will she wasn't the producer they said

1650
01:03:00,390 --> 01:02:57,550
she was I'm sitting there going I get

1651
01:03:01,740 --> 01:03:00,400
this this is this is fake and then

1652
01:03:03,750 --> 01:03:01,750
making it sound like it's real now

1653
01:03:05,460 --> 01:03:03,760
if I say it's fake I'm spoiling the

1654
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:05,470
spoiler for everybody and I don't want

1655
01:03:10,410 --> 01:03:06,730
to be a spoiler because everybody tells

1656
01:03:11,490 --> 01:03:10,420
me I'm a spoiler anyway hmm so and

1657
01:03:12,359 --> 01:03:11,500
that's why I'm having a hard time

1658
01:03:14,700 --> 01:03:12,369
holding back what happened on the

1659
01:03:18,500 --> 01:03:14,710
walking dead last night damn it anyway

1660
01:03:20,670 --> 01:03:18,510
but Paul great show intelligent

1661
01:03:21,420 --> 01:03:20,680
fascinating I hope to have you back

1662
01:03:23,550 --> 01:03:21,430
again sometime

1663
01:03:25,530 --> 01:03:23,560
great pleasure Claude it was just

1664
01:03:28,590 --> 01:03:25,540
amazing talking with you Paul II know on

1665
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:28,600
ground zero remember he's a contributor

1666
01:03:32,670 --> 01:03:30,970
to this new book called the Bell Witch

1667
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:32,680
Project it's a book talking about all

1668
01:03:36,270 --> 01:03:34,240
kinds of paranormal stuff as we did

1669
01:03:38,580 --> 01:03:36,280
tonight with Paul intelligent parent

1670
01:03:40,140 --> 01:03:38,590
that paranormal talk and investigating

1671
01:03:41,580 --> 01:03:40,150
so glad we had him on the show tonight

1672
01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:41,590
Paul thank you again for being on this